PvP???

[SpookyMulder]

With no idea for a new thread, resurrect an old one, that's what I always say.

I'm not totally against PvP being in the game, depending on how it would be implemented. There are some problems with comparing the game to titles like Halo and CoD and such, and ergo a problem comparing their PvP elements to Borderlands.
That problem is what type of game those are. FPS is a game's mechanic; its genre is, for Halo et al, Action. BL is action-rpg, and in this case, the rpg bit makes a lot of difference. If they decide to go with open-world, turn-hostile-to-PvP, like Diablo 2, there would need to be a similar resurrection system to D2. It would be unfair if you could pop into one of your party members and drag your previous body back to town. And does the AI companion help fight off this other player? I imagine that either case will be dissatisfying.
But, suppose they do implement open-world PvP somehow. Okay. Body looting won't be such an issue. Very few games have your actual inventory available to your killer. You'd probably drop, I dunno, 10% of your money and no items. That seems reasonable.

I am decidedly against arena combat though. It breaks all verisimilitude. Pandora residents are constantly fighting for survival, but there's a deathmatch arena, where the toughest survivors are willing to throw their lives away for some more currency?? I don't buy it. For a fantasy setting with magic healing and resurrection, sure. If they equip you with stun-shock rifles, okay, but then you lose the novel appeal of using your awesome unique guns, so what's the point. For a sci-fantasy or high sci-fi setting with things like bacta tanks and resurrection machines, an arena would be fine, but BL is gritty and rugged, even if it isn't being hard sci-fi.

Someone a few posts above me (sorry for not catching your name) suggested separate programs for PvP and the campaign. That may be the ideal thing, having the PvP deliberately Not have an impact on the world and your character. Just blast away and respawn, capture the flag, throw the spherical object into the creature's orifice, and nevermind the main game and the gameworld. That would allow your character to retain his/her inventory, use it, keep PvP well-separate from the campaign for those who don't even want to encounter it, and allow it to take place on dedicated PvP maps. The balancing of those maps would be difficult, given the unknown weapons the players will come bearing.

All in all, this sounds like a dodgy prospect. I don't envy the devs on this one...

[weeschwee]

it would be hard to make up multiplayer levels that are balanced, but i think it would be worth while. it would bring so many more people into the game and people would want to keep playing it long into the future. i like single player campaigns but i can only play through them a couple times before i'm bored of it. then i drop that game and move on to another. i might eventually come back to the single player campaign, but then it's the same thing; i'll move on to a different game after beating it or getting bored.

[ennui]

Originally Posted by weeschwee

as i understand it, and maybe i've heard wrong, this game is a shooter with rpg put into it and not the other way around. so personally i don't see a problem with having a conventional fps pvp.

You are dead on about the feel of the game. Borderlands is first and foremost an FPS game. It has RPG elements - the loot and character development adds some spice to the meat of the FPS gameplay.

Borderlands is also focusing on making the 4-player cooperative play the best it possibly can. We are making that experience one of the centerpieces of the game.

We haven't made any mention of other possibilities for multiplayer at this point - right now what we've told everyone is that we're making a GREAT FPS game with RPG elements that you can play with your friends.

[BorderlandsGuide]

Thanks for the update ennui. I hope that PvP multiplayer makes it into the game but I understand if it doesn't. Co-op is the focus of the multiplayer in Borderlands.

Has anybody heard or read anything about how match-making will be handled on the PC for co-op? The last time I tried to play co-op with a FPS PC game was Unreal Tournament 3 and I wasn't particularly impressed by the match-making.

[vzerby]

Originally Posted by ennui

You are dead on about the feel of the game. Borderlands is first and foremost an FPS game. It has RPG elements - the loot and character development adds some spice to the meat of the FPS gameplay.

Borderlands is also focusing on making the 4-player cooperative play the best it possibly can. We are making that experience one of the centerpieces of the game.

We haven't made any mention of other possibilities for multiplayer at this point - right now what we've told everyone is that we're making a GREAT FPS game with RPG elements that you can play with your friends.

This is the one reason why I'm so excited for this game. I love play game with my parents but the problem is usually the multiplayer isn't made for 3 people to have fun together non-competitively. The other problem is my mom isn't so much of a FPS gamer but if a game has RPG elements she can sometime get into a game (Such as Mass Effect and Fallout 3)

[Raider65]

"Has anybody heard or read anything about how match-making will be handled on the PC for co-op? The last time I tried to play co-op with a FPS PC game was Unreal Tournament 3 and I wasn't particularly impressed by the match-making." from BLG

I think R6LV and R6V2 had good Co-op source code for PC. Sometimes it would slow down but that might have been my comp or ping, unknown to me. If GBX does something like that I think it would work out OK. Or if they can improve on it, that would be even better.

[BorderlandsGuide]

Gotcha, thanks Raider.

[team56th]

Originally Posted by vzerby

This is the one reason why I'm so excited for this game. I love play game with my parents but the problem is usually the multiplayer isn't made for 3 people to have fun together non-competitively. The other problem is my mom isn't so much of a FPS gamer but if a game has RPG elements she can sometime get into a game (Such as Mass Effect and Fallout 3)

It should be noted that ME and Fallout 3 are RPG with FPS elements, especially Fallout 3 with always charging AI. Borderlands is the opposite, like Bioshock.

[Lord_Coinage]

I like the idea of friendly fire. Just like:
"Hey, think fast!"
*frags mate*
"Okay, here's your gun back."
*is shot by mate*
"Okay, it's on."


I'm thinking, maybe when you die, you only lose the stuff you were carrying? That way, if you want to have a quick battle with your mate, you can just take out another weapon after dying, and get your other one back later.

[weeschwee]

i just want this game to be really re-playable so that i'll never get tired of it. and usually multiplayer is what keeps me playing games. so i'd like to be able to do pvp, but if they just dish out what they've promised, i'm sure this game will be around for a long time whether it has pvp or not (still hoping for some sort of pvp though).