DEV team, thompson ammo?

i just watch the dead trooper in the tree vidoe again for the 50th time. and i noticed two things that i have a questoin about.

when the guy reloads his thompson he puts the new mag in but doest pull back the bolt on the right hand side to chamber the first round. why not?

and i noticed that the thompson has only 20 bullets in the mag... i know that some had that smaller mag of only 20, but that brings me to another question, what was more widely used with the paratroopers, the 20 round mag or the 30 round mag?

[Pesci]

30 I think... I think they used the GReas Gun also. Will that be in BIA?

well this picture is clearly the thompson withthe longer 30 round mag.
i wonder why in the video it only had 20, hope the dev guy dont get em mixed up.

[kaspur_eh]

what video is that? the really small one?

30 I think... I think they used the GReas Gun also. Will that be in BIA?

grease gun wasnt introduced until a bit later in 1944 i believe, so i dont think we will see it in BIA

[Pesci]

Maby baker carrys a Smaller one? Thats Quicker... Im sure not every man had the same Thompson. but yeah idk really.

what video is that? the really small one?

yeah and also look at the E3 video too,, when he pull out his thompson in the begining to show it to the audience it also has 20 rounds....

the ONLY reason im bringing this up is because the picture doesnt match the gameplay, the 20 round mag was shorter, the mag that they have on now is the longer 30 round mag.

hope they get that straightened out. thats all....i really dont mind having 20 rounds.... 30 would be nice tho

ok i may have been wrong about the M1 Garand, but this i know im correct...some more pics, this one is of two thompsons both with the 20 round box magazine. (the third mag on the bottom is the longer 30 round mag)
and here is the 30 round box mag. Note the length of the 30 round it goes down past the gun handle grip

[DAVE_6156]

Yup just watched the E3 demo again and they are using the 20 round mag [ watch near the end when he reloads, after the bombing ]. Hope this does get sorted out because I hate when games mess up the weapons. Like in the half-life 2 vids, the SMG on the ground and in 3rd person is a MP5-k but the SMG the you use is a MP7. Damn I really hate that.

[CRiSiS]

30 round mags were more common in the american forces. This is just the simple fact that SMG's were intended to throw retarded amounts of lead at the enemy. The Grease gun was relatively new in 44 and some unfortunate guys actually ended up using them, they were more common in late 44 as missing, and destroyed thompsons were replaced with the cheaper grease gun.

Oh.. another thing about the thompson is that in commonwealth armies the use of Drum mag's was common. Troops would have one drum and four 30rd mag's.


Thompson Submachine Gun

The Thompson submachinegun was named for its invention, US Brigadier General John Tagliaferro Thompson, who spent most of his career as an Ordnance officer involved in small arms manufacture and design. After retiring in 1914 he was recalled to service during the First World War, On his own time, he devoted himself to the idea of designing a fully automatic rifle - without using gas operation (which he considered too complicated), recoil operation (which he considered too heavy) or blowback operation (which he considered too weak for military calibres). He settled on a locking system patented by Commander Blish of the US Navy, and with Blish set up the Auto Ordnance Company.

The Blish locking system used inclined faces which locked under pressure, and unlocked when pressure in the action released (when the bullet of the cartridge left the barrel, pressure in the action would release the bolt). While the Blish system was useless with rifle cartridges, it worked well with low-powered pistol size ammunition. Thompson retired again 1918, and his new weapon was not perfected in time to be used in World War One. He had nicknamed the weapon a "Trench Broom", but with the war's end it was decided to market the weapon for police use, and Thompson himself invented the name "sub machine gun."
The M1921 was designed in five different calibres, but it appears only .45 calibre was produced. Few militaries noticed the many variations on the .45 M1921, and the gun became a favourite among gangsters and criminals in the United States. Not until the US Marines used the weapons in Central America did the weapon receive military attention. The son of the original financier of Auto Ordnance sold the company in 1938 to a shrewd investor who thought that impending war in Europe would boost sales. Both the French and the British governments placed orders, as did the US government in 1940.

The service version of the M1921 was the M1928A1 and was expensive, but the gun was well loved by troops who used it in the field. It was regarded as accurate, reliable, and the large .45 cartridge was considered a "man stopper." The M1 version appeared in 1942, much simplified.

The Canadian Army adopted the Thompson after the fall of France, and eventually armed section commanders in infantry platoons with the weapon. All troops in the United Kindgom adopted the Thompson, and the weapon first saw Canadian combat use in Hong Kong in December 1941. In 1942 the Sten Gun - which was much cheaper to produce - began to replace the Thompson. However, all troops going to the Mediterranean continued to use the Thompson exlusively and the Sten Gun was not used at all in that theatre, due to logistical concerns (while .45 calibre ammunition was being supplied to the US forces in theatre, adding the Sten Gun to the Commonwealth arsenal would have provided an additional requirement for 9mm ammunition - no other weapons in theatre at that time used that calibre).

The gun could be fitted with a large 50 round drum magazine, which was sometimes done in Canadian service, but these drums were very heavy, made the gun bulky, and was too noisy for patrol work. Twenty and thirty round box magazines were the norm. The M1928A1 version had a pistol-type foregrip, and the Thompson also had a removable buttstock which made the weapon more compact.